Wigan were on their own middin with nobody missing from their 1st choice 17 (and I include Phelps as a nobody). Wigan are the form team and our form is terrible.



Project forward three months with our 8 players back, that game at Headingley and us in a run of form.



Should be interesting. Great result for4 Wigan tonight (and a deserved result) but they are far from being crowned champions yet.,

Wigan are also stacking up the home games at the moment.

Phelps has been one of our best players both last season and the start of this, we also have Harrison Hansen out. Not sure if you realized, but Sam Tomkins (arguably our key player) only played 40 mins as did Andy Coley.

You also had Fielden out there and two hookers far from fully fit.



Most Leeds fans will be reasonably satisfied with a gutsy effort and avoiding a shallacking but Wigan had some issues as well.

The underlined isn't like you Gareth! Time of the month or something?



For the record we had Hansen missing too and Phelps has been a standout player when fit this season.



The rest, I agree with though.

last night I had the same feeling as I did coming out of kr last season been jeered by the saints fans! they were all laughing and waving!



I thought then as I do now with the pies! We will get you when it hurts the most!



he who laughs last laughs longest!

I'm far from worried so far from what I've seen, and not really interested in the league table.



Leeds will make the play offs, and I'm also confident it will be a top 4 place.

This is the problem with your posts. You state an opinion and then go on to post as if it's fact. The only thing we know for certain is that either team is capable of winning any game between us this season. Given that, even at full strength and against a considerably less potent Wigan side, you have struggled to beat us at our place in recent seasons and you are now 8 points off the pace, and also given that are there is a strong possiblilty that, should you meet us in the playoffs, it will be at the DW, are you really so confident that you will "laugh last" given that scenario?



Be happy that a seriously depleted team did you proud last night and also gave good indication that you may be returning to some form, but also acknowledge that there are more teams in this league than Leeds. I can only conclude that you have only been watching Leeds during the good times as anyone who has seen both sides of the coin is far more realistic than to give away so much sig material this early in the season. I get embarrassed when fans from our club come out with statements like the above. I'm assuming your fellow Leeds fans feel much the same about your posts. Do yourself a favour and learn some humility. If you do "laugh last" it's because you will have deserved it. No more, no less! It most certainly isn't a given.

Fuelled by lager.



DIdn't mean to dis-credit Wigan. Was more trying to focus on the positives for us and highlight the differences right now between us in terms of form and players available. Thus giving even more credence to our display.



Take it as a compliment. You beat us easy and we're pleased with how we went. If you keep this up and go on to be crowned champions you'll get even more attention like this. Several teams this year have celebrated like they have won a cup final after beating us in the league rounds. That's what happens when you're successful.

Despite G1 blaming the lager, he has never rated Cameron Phelps.







This being a recent example and a relatively mild one at that.

It's true. I think he's gash.

That surprises me. Your usually a good judge of players.

It's probably my fault.



I think I said he was half decent once so G1 (by default) has to take the opposite view so we can have a debate about it.

He's hardly gash. Can play anywhere in the backline and can fill in at 9. He's a decent utility player.

Ah! so it's you who's the good judge then! My apologies.





For the record I'd say he was more than half decent. He is first choice fullback ahead of Roberts and Richards (both of whom would walk in as fullback at most SL teams and, in Amos' case, already has in more than 1 NRL side!) He was leading the way in try assists and was, arguably, our stand out player in the first few rounds prior to his injury. Defensively sound, good pace, offers a half-back's creativity from fullback (he played there at Junior level for the Aussies) and as brave as they come. On top of that he's a great club man. Having seen pretty much all the fullbacks either live or on Sky (both in most cases) I can safely say, up to now, he's easily been the best in SL so far this season in only his 2nd season as a regular in the position.

No I don't.

Quite.

Despite all that's been said about the title not being won until October, on the basis of the weekend's games so far, Wigan have been the most impressive side in terms of improvement over last year.

They will be very strong title contenders come play-off time & we need to up our game considerably if we are to be champions again.

McGuire has instigated a massive improvement in what is basically the same team that Noble had.

As expected Warrington under Smith have also become a better side, as I think we all thought they would be.

Agreed.



That said, I still have nagging doubts. McGuire has flogged them to get them into shape. How will they hold up in a few months time?

One of my other thoughts on today's game was do Saints arrange it so that all the ugliest women in the ground sit or stand at the front in full view of the TV cameras?

I hope they get that sorted before they move to Tesco Towers.

I'm just glad that I've not yet invested in HDTV.

They'd frighten a police horse in't fog some of them.

No they arrange it so the best looking women in the ground sit in front of the cameras.

Wigan look certs for a grand final appearence, barring a collapse in consistency.



They've made the eliminator the past 3 seasons despite being inconsistent in the regular season, so you have to think under the new coach they'll go one step further.



It's going to be tough for us to claw our way back into contention now, and if we do it'll be tough for us to get that other grand final place alongside wigan (whom will surley make it?).

I understand that for the crowd shots at Knowsley Road they use George A Romero as director of photography.